There’s No Place Like Home Episode Ten: Deborah

By Future Women


By Future Women

INTRO: There’s No Place Like Home is a Future Women podcast supported by the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, who run a program called CommBank Next Chapter to help survivors of domestic abuse to become financially independent.

We acknowledge that we produced this series on what always has been, and always will be, Aboriginal land.

This series comes with a content note for anyone who has been through abuse or knows someone who has. Statistically, that is a lot of us. Some of what you’ll hear in this podcast is distressing. Although we know it’s important to hear directly from victim-survivors about what they’ve been through, this content may be confronting and won’t be suitable for everyone. lease check the show notes for phone numbers you can contact to receive confidential support.

Please note that the statements made in this episode should not be considered advice. Please consider your personal circumstances and reach out for help via the support services in the show notes, before making any decisions.

DEBORAH THOMSON: Later on, into the relationship it got so bad that I’d be grateful that he didn’t kill me and that’s just a ridiculous statement to make. But at the time I’d be thankful that he didn’t carry out threats. I’d say, “Oh he’s a pretty good guy, he didn’t kill me.”

TARANG CHAWLA: My name is Tarang Chawla, and I am a writer, lawyer and anti-violence advocate. I’m also the host of There’s No Place Like Home, a podcast about family violence that puts the voices of survivors at the centre of the story.

Throughout this season, you’ve heard from survivors about what their lives were like during an abusive relationship or shortly after. In this final episode, we’re delving into the emotional journey after abuse. What does the path to long-term recovery look like?

How do you retrieve, revive and redefine your sense of self? And as a nation, where do we go next?

DR CATHY KEZELMAN: It can be very, very hard for people with experiences of trauma to actually come to terms with what they’ve experienced, to actually understand that it’s abuse or it’s violence, or whatever trauma it is that it’s wrong, and that they’re not to blame.

TARANG CHAWLA:It’s my privilege to introduce you to someone who has been on that healing journey – and is now helping others do the same. Her name is Deborah. Nineteen years ago, Deborah and her three young daughters escaped her abusive husband with $100 and the clothes on their backs.

DEBORAH THOMSON: I’ll never be back to where I was before the abuse. I’ve changed irrevocably. But I’ve also changed for the better. Since I’ve left I’ve written two books. I’ve trained as an advocate for victims of abuse. I’ve legislated for law reform in Tasmania. I was born with physical disability. It was genetic. But I didn’t become symptomatic until I left the abuser.

TARANG CHAWLA: In order to fully appreciate what Deborah has recovered from, you first need to hear what she’s endured. Violence that began in 1985, before some of you who are listening now, were even born.

Let me tell you about Australia in 1985.

Rape in marriage had not yet been criminalised. So called ‘radical’ feminists had opened Australia’s first women’s refuge just 11 years earlier. “Financial abuse” and the notion that a woman should have access to money of her own was not widely accepted.

Deborah herself was 24 years old, and she had just met Wayne. That’s not his real name.

DEBORAH THOMSON: I was quite naive, immature, I hadn’t really grown up as an adult. And I believed the best of people so when he appeared I just thought, “Oh, he’s a really nice, this guy’s really interested in me. He enjoys talking to me, he wants to spend as much time as possible with me.” So I just assumed he was okay.

TARANG CHAWLA: Only two months into their romantic relationship, Deborah agreed to move in with Wayne.

DEBORAH THOMSON: Physical abuse started soon after. When we first moved in together, he was very argumentative, and he refused to talk to me for days on end. And then turn around say, “Whoa, I’m so sorry. I love you so much. I’m really sorry. I haven’t been talking to you” and being attentive again. And these sort of turnarounds started to really prey on my brain. It left me really open to abuse because I just couldn’t think for myself.

TARANG CHAWLA: But Deborah loved Wayne, and she stayed with him, hoping that he’d change… Layered on top of Deborah’s love was her sense of isolation from others and having no one to talk to. You see, in 1985 domestic abuse was still considered to be nobody’s business but the couple themselves.

MOO BAULCH : It was a very commonly held perception that this was a private matter between a man and his wife. And that was not just within embedded within society, but certainly the majority of the authorities who was responding to it, including police, including the legal system.

TARANG CHAWLA: That was the former CEO of Domestic Violence New South Wales, Moo Baulch. She’s an advisor for CommBank’s Next Chapter Program and a respected, experienced advocate.

MOO BAULCH: I think, where it was a more public matter where it was considered something kind of beyond the family context, was usually when a woman was murdered, to be honest, when a woman and her children were murdered, there was very little connection made to the broader problem of violence against women, gender based violence being a thing within society that might be actually driving these behaviours that are in somebody’s family context.

TARANG CHAWLA: Deborah has written memoir called Whose Life Is It Anyway: A Story of Domestic Violence and Survival. The chapters are made up of verbatim diary entries which Deborah wrote during her relationship with Wayne. They date from the beginning of their relationship in 1985 right up until its end in 2003. We’ve asked an actor to read from that memoir.

VOICE ACTOR – EXTRACT FROM DEBORAH’S BOOK ‘WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY: RECOGNISING AND SURVIVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE’: Horrible day. I tried to avoid Wayne as he was in a bad mood, picky, then at lunchtime he didn’t eat the meal I cooked. He got up without saying a word to me just ran at me dragged me into the lounge room and pushed me onto the ground so roughly that I got carpet burn on the elbow.

TARANG CHAWLA: I’d like to issue another content warning here because Deborah’s diary entries become even more distressing. She describes extreme physical violence including violence witnessed by her children. This entry came nine years into Deborah and Wayne’s relationship.

VOICE ACTOR – EXTRACT FROM DEBORAH’S BOOK ‘WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY: RECOGNISING AND SURVIVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE’: He ran into the bedroom and got the gun (a 22-calibre rifle). I was running to the front door, saw he had the gun so I dropped to the floor in the family room crouching on my knees and sat covering my head with my hands and he said he was going to shoot me then and there. I said: ‘Please don’t do this in front of the kids’, and I begged him not to do it but if he was going to, to do it outside where the kids didn’t have to see it. I believed he was going to shoot me and I was resigned to being killed. I was terrified yet part of me just wanted it to be over with. I partly didn’t care anymore because I really thought it was the end, he seemed to be so certain that he wanted me dead and that this was the best way to do it. He held the gun to my right temple for a while then kicked me and said: ‘You’re not worth a bullet.’

TARANG CHAWLA: Despite the horror that was unfolding at home, from the outside Deborah’s life looked like the picture of happiness. She had a husband, three kids, two houses and the couple owned and operated a successful cleaning business together.

LIANA PAPOUTSIS: My name is Liana Papoutsis. I am an academic in the field of international law, human rights and more close to home family violence.

TARANG CHAWLA: Liana Papoutsis is one of the most influential and prolific advocates for ending family violence in Australia. She’s also a highly sought after lawyer, who advises the government on how we can better protect women and girls. She also fled a violent relationship in her own life.

LIANA PAPOUTSIS: People think, “Oh that happens in some dodgy suburbs or, you know,” this is all a fallacy. Family violence occurs across all cultures. All socio economic demographics. Your level of education is irrelevant. I will probably put myself as a fairly fair example of a woman with horrific lived experience of family violence, who one would look at me and go, “You’re highly educated. How did that happen to you?”

TARANG CHAWLA: We asked Liana to explain why someone in Deborah’s situation couldn’t leave for so many years.

LIANA PAPOUTSIS: Danger and fear, those two elements are at the forefront of a victim-survivors mind. Because when you’re looking at the dynamic of family violence, that power and control. So when a perpetrator starts to understand that they are losing control over their victim, the violence starts to increase in severity and frequency. So there are threats to kill either yourself as the victim, and if there are children involved, and/or the children. So it’s either you or the children, or you and the children. There are other things, like, “You can go wherever you like,” which they don’t mean, of course, a perpetrator will never mean, “Well you can leave.” They say it but there will be ramifications. And then they say, “You can leave but you will never see the children again”.

TARANG CHAWLA: It’s not just the danger and fear that Liana describes. Deborah repeatedly uses the word brainwashed to describe how she was taught to dismiss her concerns about the life she was boxed into.

DEBORAH THOMSON: I thought Wayne’s not that bad when we’ve got a good business, we’ve got money, Wayne is a hard worker, we have beautiful property.

TARANG CHAWLA: Although technically they both had money – practically, it was all Wayne’s.

LOUISE ALLWRIGHT: One of the things is that financial abuse is actually really hard to see sometimes. And it’s often hidden in the construct of a relationship of, well I trust my partner? So you know, and there’s a perception that I think society was that, you know, it’s okay for one partner to take the lead and the financial, like responsibilities of the relationship. And absolutely, it is, okay. where it becomes problematic, though, is that someone uses that trust, to use power and control to hide things, but it’s often hidden in plain sight. And I think that’s really, that can be something we hear in the hub. How did I not see that? How did I not know.

TARANG CHAWLA: That was Louise Allwright from Good Shepherd – the oldest charity in Australia, working to keep women and girls safe from violence. Louise is the National Program Manager at its financial independence hub, which it runs in partnership with CommBank. The Hub supports people to identify financial abuse and works alongside them to build financial independence and wellbeing. During abuse, perpetrators attempt to dominate a victim’s life. And money gives them even power to do just that.

LOUISE ALLWRIGHT: What happens is, is that what people may see is that their world shrinks down. Because and it’s not. It’s not like even the perpetrator, saying you can’t see your friends. It’s the creation of the restriction of income, that creates no other solution internally, that the person can see that I’ll just, I just won’t go because it’s embarrassing. I don’t want to not be able to pay for coffee and cake like, you know, and people might ask me questions.

TARANG CHAWLA: Louise adds that Deborah’s perception – that it was bad, but it could be worse because they had a home and money – isn’t uncommon when you’re still trapped.

LOUISE ALLWRIGHT: And often, what we see is that once people have left and they start to look back, it’s like, the bits of the jigsaw puzzle suddenly come together, and there’s more clarity, and someone whom they can see it. And so the enormity and the extent of the abuse is often not understood in the people that were, you know, who we speak to, until they have left and they’re trying potentially to rebuild.

TARANG CHAWLA: Wayne wasn’t only manipulating and abusing Deborah’s life. He was controlling the kids too. Deborah’s two eldest daughters were coached, over many years, to disrespect and blame Deborah for her own abuse. But Kirra, the youngest, wasn’t old enough to be a target of Wayne’s indoctrination… And at just four years old she said something that changed everything for her mum.

VOICE ACTOR – EXTRACT FROM DEBORAH’S BOOK ‘WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY: RECOGNISING AND SURVIVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE’: The girls were screaming outside the door but Wayne didn’t care, he was so furious that nothing was going to stop him from hurting me. He pushed me onto the bed and threw himself on top of me, placing his chest over my face and grinding down so that I couldn’t breathe.

Kirra came running into the room screaming: “What are you doing to mummy?” Wayne got up and laughed saying that we were just playing and he left the room. I sat on the edge of the bed in shock, not able to think or feel. Kirra puts her arms around me and said: “You have to get out of here, Mummy” over and over.

TARANG CHAWLA: We asked Deborah what that felt like to have a child recognise her abuse and reflect it back with absolute clarity.

DEBORAH THOMSON: Empowering and amazing as well, because no one that said that for 15 years. I hadn’t told my own family about the abuse because I was afraid, fearful of the repercussions and so no one had said that to me for 15 years and it made me realise that if a young child can see that something’s wrong, maybe there really is something wrong.

TARANG CHAWLA: Little Kirra told Deborah to leave in April. Nine months later, with Kirra’s words ringing in her ears, Deborah made her decision to go.

VOICE ACTOR – EXTRACT FROM DEBORAH’S BOOK ‘WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY: RECOGNISING AND SURVIVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE’: Kirra took me into mine and Wayne’s bedroom after he’d gone to work, saying that she wanted to show me something. She led me to one of the clothes cupboards where there was a gap between it and the wall. There in the gap was one of Wayne’s rifles: a short-barrelled ten-shot semi-automatic, one of the guns he’d not handed in during the amnesty following the Martin Byrant shootings in Port Arthur, Tasmania.

Kirra told me that Daddy had taken the gun down from the roof in her presence and put it beside the cupboard, back far enough that I probably would not have noticed it, had Kirra not told me. She said he’d told her that he was going to shoot Mummy with it if she was naughty. Leaving was beginning to look like a possibility.

TARANG CHAWLA: It’s been more than 35 years since Deborah and Wayne’s relationship began and 19 since Deborah left. Deborah told us that her reason for speaking out is to help others. She explains that leaving Wayne, with three children in tow was not only emotionally fraught but a logistical and financial nightmare. Deborah wants other survivors to be prepared and recognise the varied forms abuse can take.

DEBORAH THOMSON: I advise people when they consider leaving, beforehand to make a plan with someone they trust, or as domestic violence social workers, start making a plan. Hide your important papers, documents, a little bit of money, children’s toys, clothes, anything that will help you when you leave. Make that plan and get things together because I didn’t. [VC1] And I made the mistake of leaving with the children with virtually a couple hundred dollars in my wallet, which I was supposed to be using for food shopping that day.

If there’d been open discussion as there is now, I would have been better at recognising coercive control. I can’t stress enough how vital that conversation is for society to be having, talking about coercive control, about subtler forms of abuse in a relationship. If I’d known about those in the 80s and 90s, I would have left far sooner than I did.

TARANG CHAWLA: Deborah’s advocacy work has been an incredible act of service to the community. Dr Cathy Kezelman is a trauma expert and CEO of Blue Knot Foundation, an organisation that works to empower recovery for Australians living with the impact of violence, abuse or neglect. Cathy says that both shame and accepting that you are now safe are a part of the healing challenge for victim-survivors.

DR CATHY KEZELMAN: Many, many victims, survivors blame themselves and carry an absolutely chilling amount of shame. And that can be really incredibly difficult to work through, particularly in a society, which often treats victims, often blames victims, and treats the whole issue of violence, domestic violence, with a lot of stigma, a lot of judgement and a lot of discrimination.

Having lived for so longer in danger, and not having felt or been safe, being betrayed by someone that you should absolutely be able to trust. It’s such a primary betrayal. And you know, how do you re build your sense of safety in a world that’s been so dangerous? How do you develop your own sense of autonomy when you’ve been so disempowered?z

TARANG CHAWLA: Dr Kezelman says that this kind of work can also be healing for victim-survivors. Perhaps that’s why so many of the experts and advocates we’ve spoken to for this podcast are survivors of violence too.

DR CATHY KEZELMAN: As survivors, we’ve been very disempowered, but it we’ve been very strong, because we’ve survived. And we’ve survived situations that no one should ever have survived. So that’s the first thing to connect into your own strengths, and then find other ways to build it along the way. And advocacy, and being an advocate for others, and try to change the future for other people is a very powerful motivator.

TARANG CHAWLA: Moo Baulch, who you’ve gotten to know over this series, has dedicated her working life to the prevention of family violence. She says that survivors, like Deborah, who share their stories in pursuit of change are instrumental in achieving policy reform.

MOO BAULCH: It’s exponential. There is much broader public awareness. This stuff does make headlines, you’re making this podcast, domestic and family violence is now seen as everyone’s business. There is such enthusiasm in the public and private sector to contribute in this space. It’s no longer just a problem of police and women’s refuges. All levels of government in Australia are now committed to improving their response. And more and more, looking at it through a prevention lens as well.

TARANG CHAWLA: Deborah got away from Wayne in 2003. But without access to money, Wayne’s financial abuse continued to hamper Deborah’s chance for a fresh start. She and her girls spent time in women’s shelters, battled Centrelink for payments, and struggled to prove that even though Deborah’s name was technically on the deeds of two properties, the family could not live safely in either.

Australia has changed in so many ways in the intervening years. But for all the progress we’ve made, there are themes of Deborah’s story that you will have heard in the stories of all our victim-survivors. The cycle of violence keeps repeating itself and far too often access to money and resources is what stands in the way of people deciding to leave a relationship and being able to reestablish their lives.

MOO BAULCH: I think one of the biggest ones, is the recognition of financial abuse as a thing, it wasn’t considered a part of, or it wasn’t named as a part of domestic and family violence for a very, very long time. It was certainly something that a frontline case manager working with a woman escaping domestic violence would have recognised as one of a range of different types of behaviours. That would have been controlling but financial abuse wasn’t really a thing. It wasn’t understood outside of that context, and it certainly wasn’t understood by things like banks and financial institutions. And other entities and agencies that end up dealing with the impacts of financial abuse. So yeah, we’ve come, we’ve kind of come a long, long way over the last couple of decades.

TARANG CHAWLA: Sian Lewis, is group executive of HR at CommBank. She’s been involved in CommBank’s Next Chapter program to support long-term independence for survivors of domestic abuse for six years. In that time, Sian has seen what can be achieved through counselling and positive interventions like interest free loans. She says that financial abuse has a knock-on effect that lingers long after the abusive relationship ends.

SIAN LEWIS: Very often, you emerge from financially abusive relationships with bad credit history, very little money, no assets, the need to go to court to kind of protect children or recover assets. All of that is a very difficult journey to manage on your own, particularly if you’re recovering from the trauma of violence. And so the Financial Independence Hub is there to help people.

It’s a one-on-one financial counselling service for people, anybody doesn’t have to be a customer of CBA can go to the Hub, get a highly trained counsellor to really talk them through all that’s available to them as they get themselves back on their feet. Unusually, in this sector, as well, it’s a long term commitment. So we will keep working with the customer until they feel that they are back on their feet, if they want to, they can access an interest free loan.

TARANG CHAWLA: Deborah is now financially secure and she has done an enormous amount of work on her psychological healing as well.

DEBORAH THOMSON: Since I left the abuse I had years of counselling, intense counselling, and I’m now over most of the post-traumatic stress disorder and trauma from the abuse. So mentally, I’m pretty good.

TARANG CHAWLA: For Deborah, there was another life-altering ramification of the violence perpetrated against her. Doctors have discovered two aneurysms in Deborah’s brain. And while Deborah did have a pre-existing disability, doctors believe those aneurysms were the result of Wayne’s violent attacks. Medical treatment has meant Deborah’s eyesight has been affected, and so has her mobility.

DEBORAH THOMSON: The aneurysms are a reminder of what I went through and how needless it all was. And, it sort of put me back a little. I was starting to make sense of the abuse until the neurosurgery. I went backwards a little mentally. And thought, “God, am I ever going to escape from the repercussions of staying with that abuser for so long?” But I’m working through my way through that as well now.

TARANG CHAWLA: Dr Kezelman says that the long term physical impacts of family violence can hinder emotional recovery as well.

DR CATHY KEZELMAN: There’s a term called post traumatic growth. That’s certainly part of what many, many survivors have experienced alongside a healing journey or towards the end of healing journey that they really have a very strong sense of who they are, and a very strong sense of their place in the world. They feel independent, they feel powerful, they feel connected, they know what it is they want, they go about achieving it, they have a real sense of meaning what they’re doing.

TARANG CHAWLA: Cathy also advises that if you have a friend or loved one who is healing from trauma, your mere presence can be an act of support.

DR CATHY KEZELMAN: You don’t always need to know what to say but to just show that you’re there, and that you’re available, and that you’re listening, and that you believe the person, and just be guided by them along the way, and but also to absolutely look after yourself.

TARANG CHAWLA: I’m going to bring in Sally Stevenson now. She’s the general manager of the Illawara Women’s Health Centre, which supports more than 6,000 women every year and provides integrated care and social support. It’s a women’s only space where all doctors, nurses, psychologists, counsellors and social workers are female – and trauma informed. She says that, for all the progress we’ve made, more needs to be done to address the trauma victim-survivors experience during and after abuse.

SALLY STEVENSON: You’ll find it manifesting itself, you know, stress, anxiety, depression, suicidality, substance dependence, all that kind of stuff. But it also impacts on women’s physical health.

Women that have experienced violence and abuse have higher rates of cervical cancer, for example, higher rates of diabetes, high rates of arthritis, because what we know is that trauma is held in the body, mental trauma and physical trauma is held in the body, and the body expresses it in in a whole variety of ways. So it has a lifetime deficit for many women.

The health system is not responding to that, it’s not set up to respond to it. And even where there are services that do understand how to respond in a trauma informed and violence informed ways, they’re so limited, that the vast majority of women don’t get it, they don’t get the kind of support that they need, and they don’t get it over the time it takes.

TARANG CHAWLA: You’ve heard throughout this series how difficult it can be for a survivor to coordinate a multitude of support services after fleeing a violent relationship. Sally, and the Illawarra Women’s Health Centre, have developed a new model of care for trauma recovery.

SALLY STEVENSON: The beauty of the model that we’ve that we’ve established, which is a one stop wraparound service, providing at its core, the key elements of recovery, mental health, social support, legal support and financial advice, that’s at the core. The next level of support is co located partners who can deliver services, like Centrelink. And then the next level is really clear, soft, fast referral pathways to other services that a woman might need. The beauty of that is it’s a standalone model. It’s community based, and it’s community responsive. So all the research that we’ve done in the interviews that we’ve done, reflect what is needed here in the Illawarra that can be replicated across Australia. And the feedback that we’ve got, and the support that we’ve got for this new model of care is national.

TARANG CHAWLA: After our interview with Sally, she got some incredible news. The pilot centre received $25 million in the federal budget, to fund a pilot centre, The Illawarra Domestic and Family Violence Trauma Recovery Centre. By 2031, she hopes there will be another 19 centres running across Australia, to support women and children escaping violence.

Deborah has now been free of her abusive relationship for one year longer than she was in it. Although she still has nightmares, still jolts at most unexpected loud noises, Deborah is happy. Deborah and her three daughters have all had intense counselling which has helped. Her youngest daughter, Kirra – now all grown up – spoke at her mum’s recent book launch. Deborah’s life is much bigger than the worst things that were done to her. And her healing continues…

DEBORAH THOMSON: Even now, sometimes I can just slip back into that shame of that thinking, “Why did I stay so long or why did I let that happen? Why did I not just leave to begin with?” And really if you think objectively, what happened happened because you just couldn’t think for yourself. You’re incapable of thinking clearly. And that’s his fault, not yours.

TARANG CHAWLA: For a long time Deborah would speak at community and sector events about her experiences. Her disabilities make it harder to do now but participating in podcasts like this means she can contribute from home. Deborah is actively lobbying for the criminalisation of coercive control. And Moo Baulch says that thanks to the work of survivors like Deborah, Australia is well and truly headed in the right direction to eliminate family violence.

MOO BAULCH: So the National Plan that ends this year, there’s to be a National Plan to Reduce Violence Against Women and their Children. And I was just reading through the draft plan, and what I see is lots of the work that has been developed over the last 12 years really starting to be embedded. This really does pull everybody together and, and make all levels of government accountable, but also what I think it does really well as it fits so beautifully with Our Watch’s Change The Story, which tells us that prevention is a public health’s whole of community issue and responsibility. And that’s, you know, that’s fundamental.

TARANG CHAWLA: We still have a long way to go if we’re going to prevent what happened to Deborah or my sister Nikita, happening to others. On average, one woman a week is killed by her current or former partner. One in six women and one in seventeen men have experienced intimate partner violence. Based on analysis in 2015, violence against women in Australia costs our country more than $21.7 billion every year. It is the leading driver of homelessness for women. Every Australian deserves to feel safe in their own home and until that is true, there is more – so much more – work to be done.

MOO BAULCH: We have a decade now to get this right. We know so much in Australia now about domestic and family violence, we have two awesome institutions, we have the national prevention organisation, Our Watch, which has given us a really clear blueprint, no matter where we sit within Australian society, what we need to do to be part of the solution.

And if all of those pieces come together, we have the potential to do much, much better by survivors, we have the potential to absolutely change the story and make sure that this is not the same experience for the next generation.

This is the number one issue. It’s not going to go away, it’s not going to magically get better overnight. But if we treat this issue, as one that impacts across every area of society, you know, costs billions of dollars a year. And it costs way more in terms of people’s personal pain and the ripple impacts across families and communities. We can fix this.

TARANG CHAWLA: My name is Tarang Chawla and this has been the final episode of There’s No Place Like Home. Thank you for being with me and listening to these extraordinary victim-survivors. It has been my privilege to share their stories with you.

OUTRO: There’s No Place Like Home is a Future Women podcast supported by our proud partner, Commonwealth Bank; supporting long-term financial independence for victim-survivors through CommBank Next Chapter. For help or advice, please check the show-notes for phone numbers for confidential support.

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This episode was produced by Jamila Rizvi, Sally Spicer, Tarang Chawla, Fleur Bitcon, Ella Jackson, Ruby Leahy-Gatfield, India Bailey and Kate Leaver. Editing by Bad Producer Productions. Artwork by Patti Andrews.